2026 Forbidden Heathen Framekit vs 2027 Giant Stance E+
The XL is the Giant Stance E+ size closest to your S4 Forbidden Heathen Framekit. We match frame stack and reach. This is a geometry comparison, not a fit recommendation; stem, spacers, handlebars and saddle setup also affect your riding position.
What changes on the Giant Stance E+
Compared with the Forbidden Heathen Framekit in S4, the Giant Stance E+ in XL places the top of the head tube 7 mm higher and 10 mm further forward, relative to the bottom bracket. Its wheelbase is 51 mm longer, which can contribute to stability at speed.
- Frame stack
- +7 mm
- Higher front end
- Frame reach
- +10 mm
- Longer frame reach
- Wheelbase
- +51 mm
- Longer: steadier at speed
- Head angle
- +0.5°
- Steeper: sharper steering
- Chainstays
- n/a
- One of the bikes has no number for this
The two frames
We can't draw these frames yet. The Forbidden Heathen Framekit numbers we have for size S4 are missing the chainstay length. The numbers below still compare.
Geometry side by side
| Measurement | Forbidden Heathen Framekit S4 | Giant Stance E+ XL | Difference |
|---|---|---|---|
| Reach | 495 | 505 | +10 mm |
| Stack | 648 | 655 | +7 mm |
| Head tube angle | 64 | 64.5° | +0.5° |
| Seat tube angle | 76 | 76.5° | +0.5° |
| Effective top tube | 657 | not listed | |
| Wheelbase | 1270.6 | 1322 | +51 mm |
| BB height | 311 | not listed | |
| Standover | 764 | 762 | −2 mm |
| Seat tube length | 470 | 475 | +5 mm |
| Fork length | 541 | not listed | |
| Head tube length | 120 | 145 | +25 mm |
| Chainstay length | not listed | 468 | |
| BB drop | not listed | 26 |
Differences are the Giant Stance E+ minus the Forbidden Heathen Framekit. Full charts: 2026 Forbidden Heathen Framekit, 2027 Giant Stance E+.
Where each sits in its class
Forbidden Heathen FramekitGiant Stance E+
Each bike is ranked against the other trail bikes on Quiver, on frame geometry alone. Not your hand position or ride feel.
What each ships with
The stock build of each bike's first listed trim. Parts that match are dimmed.
| Part | Forbidden Heathen Framekit | Giant Stance E+E+ 0 |
|---|---|---|
| Frame | not listed | Giant ALUXX SL-grade |
| Fork | not listed | Fox Rhythm |
| Rear shock | not listed | Fox Float |
| Shifter | not listed | Shimano Cues LinkGlide |
| Derailleur | not listed | Shimano Deore XT |
| Cassette | not listed | Shimano Cues LinkGlide |
| Chain | not listed | Shimano Linkglide |
| Pedals | not listed | Giant Large |
| Motor | not listed | Giant SyncDrive Pro3X |
| Battery | not listed | Giant EnergyPak |
| Tire | not listed | Maxxis Minion DHF |
| Hub | not listed | Giant E-Drive |
| Rim | not listed | Giant TRA2 |
| Brake | not listed | Shimano Deore XT, Shimano XT M8100 |
| Handlebar | not listed | Giant Connect TR35 |
| Stem | not listed | Giant Contact SL 35 |
| Grips | not listed | Giant Tactal |
| Seatpost | not listed | Giant Contact Switch AT |
| Saddle | not listed | Giant Contact |
| Fender | not listed | Giant MRP |
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