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2017 Norco Fluid 2.3+ vs 2016 Surly Karate Monkey

The Surly Karate Monkey size closest to your 20" is the XS. Compare the XS instead

What changes on the Surly Karate Monkey

Compared with the Norco Fluid 2.3+ in 20", the Surly Karate Monkey in xLarge (22) places the top of the head tube 183 mm higher and 137 mm further forward, relative to the bottom bracket. Its wheelbase is 244 mm longer, which can contribute to stability at speed.

Frame stack
+183 mm
Higher front end
Frame reach
+137 mm
Longer frame reach
Wheelbase
+244 mm
Longer: steadier at speed
Head angle
+3.0°
Steeper: sharper steering
Chainstays
n/a
One of the bikes has no number for this

The two frames

We can't draw these frames yet. The Norco Fluid 2.3+ numbers we have for size 20" are missing the chainstay length. The numbers below still compare.

Geometry side by side

MeasurementNorco Fluid 2.3+ 20"Surly Karate Monkey xLarge (22)Difference
Reach303440.1+137 mm
Stack445628.2+183 mm
Head tube angle6972.0°+3.0°
Seat tube angle7073.0°+3.0°
Wheelbase8491093.0+244 mm
BB height255not listed
Head tube length90125.0+35 mm
Chainstay lengthnot listed431.0
BB dropnot listed68.0
Standovernot listed853.5
Seat tube lengthnot listed558.8
Fork lengthnot listed468.0

Differences are the Surly Karate Monkey minus the Norco Fluid 2.3+. Full charts: 2017 Norco Fluid 2.3+, 2016 Surly Karate Monkey.

Where each sits in its class

Norco Fluid 2.3+Surly Karate Monkey

AggressivePositionUpright
CalmSteeringQuick
PlayfulBalancePlanted

Each bike is ranked against the other trail bikes on Quiver, on frame geometry alone. Not your hand position or ride feel.

What each ships with

The stock build of each bike's first listed trim. Parts that match are dimmed.

PartNorco Fluid 2.3+2.3+Surly Karate Monkey
ForkSR Suntour XCT FR Plus 20"not listed
ShifterShimano Altus 8-spd - Blacknot listed
DerailleurShimano Altus 8spd - Blacknot listed
PedalsVP Alloy Flat Jr. BMXnot listed
BrakeTektro Jr. MTB w/ Reach adjust - Blacknot listed
GripsNorco Jr. Grip - Blacknot listed
HeadsetFSA No. 10P w/15mm conical spacer - Blacknot listed
SaddleNorco Jr. MTB Saddle 20" - Blacknot listed

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