2025 Orange Stage vs 2025 Forbidden Dreadnought Tier
The S3 is the Forbidden Dreadnought Tier size closest to your M Orange Stage. We match frame stack and reach. This is a geometry comparison, not a fit recommendation; stem, spacers, handlebars and saddle setup also affect your riding position.
What changes on the Forbidden Dreadnought Tier
Compared with the Orange Stage in M, the Forbidden Dreadnought Tier in S3 places the top of the head tube 9 mm higher and 5 mm further forward, relative to the bottom bracket.
- Frame stack
- +9 mm
- Higher front end
- Frame reach
- +5 mm
- Longer frame reach
- Wheelbase
- −2 mm
- About the same
- Head angle
- +0.1°
- About the same head angle
- Chainstays
- −8 mm
- Shorter: livelier
The two frames
Orange Stage, MForbidden Dreadnought Tier, S3Drawn to scale and lined up at the bottom bracket.
Geometry side by side
| Measurement | Orange Stage M | Forbidden Dreadnought Tier S3 | Difference |
|---|---|---|---|
| Reach | 466 | 471 | +5 mm |
| Stack | 636 | 645 | +9 mm |
| Head tube angle | 63 | 63.1 | +0.1° |
| Seat tube angle | 76 | 77.1 | +1.1° |
| Effective top tube | 625 | 618 | −7 mm |
| Chainstay length | 468 | 460 | −8 mm |
| Wheelbase | 1291 | 1288.8 | −2 mm |
| BB height | 338 | 341 | +3 mm |
| Standover | 724 | 777 | +53 mm |
| Head tube length | 110 | 120 | +10 mm |
| BB drop | not listed | -19.6 | |
| Seat tube length | not listed | 440 |
Differences are the Forbidden Dreadnought Tier minus the Orange Stage. Full charts: 2025 Orange Stage, 2025 Forbidden Dreadnought Tier.
Where each sits in its class
Orange StageForbidden Dreadnought Tier
Each bike is ranked against the other enduro bikes on Quiver, on frame geometry alone. Not your hand position or ride feel.
What each ships with
The stock build of each bike's first listed trim. Parts that match are dimmed.
| Part | Orange Stage7 | Forbidden Dreadnought TierTier 1 |
|---|---|---|
| Frame | Orange Stage | Forbidden Dreadnought V2 |
| Fork | Fox 38 Float Factory | RockShox ZEB Ultimate |
| Rear shock | Fox Float X2 Factory | RockShox Vivid Ultimate |
| Shifter | Shimano XT | SRAM Pod Rocker Controller |
| Derailleur | Shimano XT | SRAM X0 Eagle Transmission |
| Cassette | Shimano XT | SRAM X0 Eagle Transmission |
| Chain | KMC 12spd | SRAM X0 Eagle Transmission |
| Crankset | SRAM GX Eagle | SRAM X0 Eagle |
| Chainring | SRAM Eagle | SRAM X0 Eagle |
| Bottom bracket | SRAM DUB | SRAM DUB |
| Wheelset | Stan's NoTubes Flow Mk4 + Hope Pro 4 | crankbrothers Synthesis 11 |
| Tire | Maxxis Minion DHF, Maxxis Minion DHR II | Maxxis Assegai, Maxxis Forekaster |
| Brake | Shimano XT Trail | SRAM Maven Ultimate |
| Handlebar | Renthal FatBar M35 | Burgtec Ride Wide Enduro |
| Stem | Burgtec MK3 Enduro CNC | OneUp Components Forged |
| Grips | Strange Grappler Lock-On | Forbidden lock-on |
| Headset | Fpd zerostack | Cane Creek Hellbender 70 |
| Dropper post | SDG Tellis | OneUp Components Dropper |
| Seatpost | Fox Transfer | OneUp Components Setback |
| Saddle | SDG Strange Bel Air III | fizik Terra Alpaca X5 |
| Rotor | not listed | SRAM HS2 |
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