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2025 Orange Stage vs 2025 Forbidden Dreadnought Tier

The S3 is the Forbidden Dreadnought Tier size closest to your M Orange Stage. We match frame stack and reach. This is a geometry comparison, not a fit recommendation; stem, spacers, handlebars and saddle setup also affect your riding position.

What changes on the Forbidden Dreadnought Tier

Compared with the Orange Stage in M, the Forbidden Dreadnought Tier in S3 places the top of the head tube 9 mm higher and 5 mm further forward, relative to the bottom bracket.

Frame stack
+9 mm
Higher front end
Frame reach
+5 mm
Longer frame reach
Wheelbase
−2 mm
About the same
Head angle
+0.1°
About the same head angle
Chainstays
−8 mm
Shorter: livelier

The two frames

2025 Orange Stage (M) and 2025 Forbidden Dreadnought Tier (S3), lined up at the bottom bracketBoth frames drawn to scale. The Orange Stage is drawn in full with its measurements, and the Forbidden Dreadnought Tier is the colored outline on top.J 1291

Orange Stage, MForbidden Dreadnought Tier, S3Drawn to scale and lined up at the bottom bracket.

Geometry side by side

MeasurementOrange Stage MForbidden Dreadnought Tier S3Difference
Reach466471+5 mm
Stack636645+9 mm
Head tube angle6363.1+0.1°
Seat tube angle7677.1+1.1°
Effective top tube625618−7 mm
Chainstay length468460−8 mm
Wheelbase12911288.8−2 mm
BB height338341+3 mm
Standover724777+53 mm
Head tube length110120+10 mm
BB dropnot listed-19.6
Seat tube lengthnot listed440

Differences are the Forbidden Dreadnought Tier minus the Orange Stage. Full charts: 2025 Orange Stage, 2025 Forbidden Dreadnought Tier.

Where each sits in its class

Orange StageForbidden Dreadnought Tier

AggressivePositionUpright
CalmSteeringQuick
PlayfulBalancePlanted

Each bike is ranked against the other enduro bikes on Quiver, on frame geometry alone. Not your hand position or ride feel.

What each ships with

The stock build of each bike's first listed trim. Parts that match are dimmed.

PartOrange Stage7Forbidden Dreadnought TierTier 1
FrameOrange StageForbidden Dreadnought V2
ForkFox 38 Float FactoryRockShox ZEB Ultimate
Rear shockFox Float X2 FactoryRockShox Vivid Ultimate
ShifterShimano XTSRAM Pod Rocker Controller
DerailleurShimano XTSRAM X0 Eagle Transmission
CassetteShimano XTSRAM X0 Eagle Transmission
ChainKMC 12spdSRAM X0 Eagle Transmission
CranksetSRAM GX EagleSRAM X0 Eagle
ChainringSRAM EagleSRAM X0 Eagle
Bottom bracketSRAM DUBSRAM DUB
WheelsetStan's NoTubes Flow Mk4 + Hope Pro 4crankbrothers Synthesis 11
TireMaxxis Minion DHF, Maxxis Minion DHR IIMaxxis Assegai, Maxxis Forekaster
BrakeShimano XT TrailSRAM Maven Ultimate
HandlebarRenthal FatBar M35Burgtec Ride Wide Enduro
StemBurgtec MK3 Enduro CNCOneUp Components Forged
GripsStrange Grappler Lock-OnForbidden lock-on
HeadsetFpd zerostackCane Creek Hellbender 70
Dropper postSDG TellisOneUp Components Dropper
SeatpostFox TransferOneUp Components Setback
SaddleSDG Strange Bel Air IIIfizik Terra Alpaca X5
Rotornot listedSRAM HS2

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