2026 Surly Preamble Flat Bar vs 2026 3T Primo
The 3T Primo size closest to your M is the L. Compare the L instead
What changes on the 3T Primo
Compared with the Surly Preamble Flat Bar in M, the 3T Primo in XL places the top of the head tube 37 mm higher and 11 mm further forward, relative to the bottom bracket.
- Frame stack
- +37 mm
- Higher front end
- Frame reach
- +11 mm
- Longer frame reach
- Wheelbase
- n/a
- One of the bikes has no number for this
- Head angle
- +0.5°
- Steeper: sharper steering
- Chainstays
- n/a
- One of the bikes has no number for this
The two frames
Only the Surly Preamble Flat Bar is drawn. The 3T Primo numbers we have for size XL are missing the chainstay length and wheelbase.
Geometry side by side
| Measurement | Surly Preamble Flat Bar M | 3T Primo XL | Difference |
|---|---|---|---|
| Reach | 391 | 402 | +11 mm |
| Stack | 567 | 604 | +37 mm |
| Head tube angle | 72 | 72.5 | +0.5° |
| Seat tube angle | 72.5 | 72.5 | ±0.0° |
| Effective top tube | 570 | 592 | +22 mm |
| Chainstay length | 435 | not listed | |
| Wheelbase | 1030 | not listed | |
| BB drop | 66 | 70 | +4 mm |
| Standover | 826 | not listed | |
| Seat tube length | 565 | not listed | |
| Fork length | 400 | not listed | |
| Head tube length | 130 | 180 | +50 mm |
Differences are the 3T Primo minus the Surly Preamble Flat Bar. Full charts: 2026 Surly Preamble Flat Bar, 2026 3T Primo.
Where each sits in its class
Surly Preamble Flat Bar3T Primo
Each bike is ranked against the other gravel bikes on Quiver, on frame geometry alone. Not your hand position or ride feel.
What each ships with
The stock build of each bike's first listed trim. Parts that match are dimmed.
| Part | Surly Preamble Flat BarFlat Bar | 3T PrimoGRX 1X12 |
|---|---|---|
| Frame | Surly Preamble | 3T Primo2 |
| Shifter | microSHIFT Acolyte Xpress | Shimano GRX RX610 |
| Derailleur | microSHIFT RD-M5185M | Shimano GRX RX822 SGS |
| Chain | KMC Z8.3 | not listed |
| Tire | Kenda Kwik Tendril | Pirelli Cinturato Adventure |
| Brake | Avid BB5 | Shimano GRX RX400 |
| Saddle | Selle Italia X | fizik Vento Argo X5 |
| Fork | not listed | 3T Fango Primo2 |
| Cassette | not listed | Shimano Deore M6100 |
| Crankset | not listed | Shimano GRX RX610 |
| Wheelset | not listed | Fulcrum Rapid Red 900 |
| Rotor | not listed | Shimano SM-RT64 |
| Handlebar | not listed | 3T Superergo PRO |
| Stem | not listed | 3T Apto |
| Seatpost | not listed | 3T Primo |
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